Why Dr. Craig is Wrong and Why He Still Won the Debate with Dr. White
I have immense respect for both Dr. James White and Dr. William Lane Craig. I consider them both to be brothers in Christ. I've learned a lot from both of them and was really looking forward to their debate on whether Calvinism or Molinism best address the Problem of Evil.
Both men are great thinkers with very astute minds. And both men have debated a plethora of opponents over the history of their careers as public theologians.
Why Dr. Craig Won
Dr. White's views more closely match my own than Dr. Craig's views do, but nonetheless, I personally found Craig to be the winner in the debate. Dr. Craig has a particular, well-honed debate methodology and style that enable him to win virtually every debate he has ever participated in, regardless of the opponent.
"If it is evil to cause someone to do evil, then Calvinism makes God evil."
How many times did Dr. Craig say this, or something like it? After the dust settles, and everyone walks away, the chief thing that I think will stand out in viewers' minds is that single concept. Dr. Craig repeated it over and over. It is short, sweet, simple, easy to understand, and easy to remember. And, it seems to make sense.
Dr. White had no such statements. Many of his made sense, for sure, but they were not short, sweet, and repeated multiple times. Nothing White said can or will be remembered verbatim. This single phrase is the biggest part of the impeccable debate skill that Craig brought to the table.
Beyond that, I was, at the end of the debate, very clear on Dr. Craig's views about the Problem of Evil. In his Molinist view, God did not decide what each of us humans would be like. Our individual "essence" (as Dr. White put it) simply is what it is regardless of God. As a result, our evil intent is not the result of God's choice. Therefore, God cannot be blamed for our sin.
However, I lacked clarity on Dr. White's view of the Problem of Evil. He certainly disagreed with Dr. Craig, and, I think, for good reason. Dr. White made it clear that in his view, because God is sovereign, there is meaning in evil. But apart from asserting that there is meaning in his view, and asserting that meaning is absent in Dr. Craig's view, I don't feel that he clearly explained why anyone should agree with those assertions. And, to say that there is meaning in evil is not, as far as I can tell, a full response to the Problem of Evil. Dr. White also insisted that God is restraining evil, but what (in his view) brought about the evil that needed to be restrained in the first place? Dr. Craig claims that, in Dr. White's view, God brought about the evil that God is restraining. Whether Dr. White agrees with Craig's characterization of his view is unclear to me.
So while Dr. Craig clearly explained his views on the official topic of the debate, the Problem of Evil, I felt that Dr. White did not.
Dr. White definitely scored some points in arguing against Craig's Molinism, but Dr. Craig himself is the one who made Dr. White's concerns about Molinism most evident and clear for the listener in my opinion.
As Craig explained the difference between his view and what he takes White's view to be, "These counterfactuals of human freedom are either true logically prior to the divine decree, or they are true only logically posterior to the divine decree." (53:30)
In other words, individual humans have some sort of essential existence (some sort of meaningful BE-ing) before God creates them, or else they do not.
Either God didn't actually create us, or else God is evil because he did. This is the false dichotomy Craig proposes. And Dr. White, as far as I could tell, never fully responded to it.
So, in the end, I can see many viewers walking away from the debate perhaps concerned about the orthodoxy of Dr. Craig's views, namely, that God, in a very real sense, did not create humans, but nevertheless convinced beyond all doubt that Dr. White's views make God evil.
Thus, Craig, though I disagree with him, seems to have won the debate.
Why Dr. Craig's Views are Logically Incorrect
A False Dichotomy
First, let's look at what I referred to as Craig's "false dichotomy." Either God didn't create us, or else God is evil because he did.
Really?
Either George Lucas didn't create Palpatine, or else George Lucas is evil because he did.
But is George Lucas evil for creating Palpatine? Should Lucas be given life behind bars, or even executed, for killing everyone on Alderaan? Seriously?
Now, I assume Dr. Craig would respond to this question by suggesting, like many others have, that the analogy is a false one. We are real; Palpatine isn't. If God is really our creator, then God caused real people to sin, not people that he just made up. Real people.
But, if God is our creator, then we are made up by God, and the analogy holds! Only in Dr. Craig's view are we not made up by God, not in my view. In my view, we are God's fiction. Since we are God's fiction, as Palpatine is Lucas' fiction, it is a Special Pleading Fallacy to suggest that God is evil for causing us to be. In Dr. Craig's view, we are God's fact, not his fiction. Even as God is, so also are we. "I AM" applies to Tim McCabe as much as it does to YHWH. We ourselves actually exist, even as God does, in some very real sense, right alongside God, in the same context as God, preexisting creation just as he does. If the God of Dr. Craig's Molinism caused one of us to sin, it would be like George Lucas causing Steven Spielberg to sin, not like George Lucas causing Palpatine to sin. But if the God of my own perspective caused one of us to sin, then it actually is like George Lucas causing Palpatine to sin.
And George Lucas is not evil simply because Palpatine is. Just as my God is not evil simply because we are.
But how can we know which is which? How can we determine if in fact we are simply what God made, and determinism is true, or if in fact we somehow are apart from creation, and Molinism is true? How can we know if what Dr. Craig says is in fact true or false?
Rational Justification
Middle Knowledge, like any other kind of knowledge, must be justified. Knowledge is, after all, at minimum, "justified, true belief." In order for any belief to be rationally justified, there must first be reason behind it.
Let's take the statement "Tim McCabe would do X in circumstance Y." Let's call that statement S1 (for "Statement 1").
If S1 is true, and if it is true apart from God's will, or prior to God's will, and yet God believes it, then whose reason justifies God's belief in it?
If God's belief is unjustified, it cannot be called knowledge, and Middle "Knowledge" ceases to exist, and Molinism is false.
But rational justification comes in only three possible flavors -- imputation, authorship, and discovery. And none of them work here.
If there were reason behind God's belief in S1, whose reason is behind God's belief in S1? If there is no reason behind it, it cannot be rationally justified.
Well, if there is reason behind God's belief in S1, either the reason behind it is God's reason, or else it is someone else's reason. There are no other options.
If it is someone else's reason, yet it is God's belief, then God's belief was imputed to him by whoever created his beliefs. In other words, God has a creator. A calculator's premises are rationally justified by imputation: they are given, already justified, to the calculator by its creator.
On the other hand, if God's own reason is behind God's belief in S1, then it is either God's reason by means of God's will, which is to say, God's willful authorship of the fact itself, which Dr. Craig explicitly rejects; or else it is God's reason regardless of God's will, such that God must discover it.
Those are all three flavors, imputation, authorship, and discovery, and there is no logical space for others.
Since we know straight-up that Dr. Craig rejects divine authorship of the fact; and since I think we can safely assume that Dr. Craig also rejects the idea of a super-God or Grandfather God as imputation requires; it seems that Dr. Craig is claiming that God's belief in S1 is justified by means of God's own reason apart from God's will.
But, having ruled out both authorship and imputation, S1 cannot be a rationally justified first premise of God's. It cannot be a first premise of God's that God Himself authors; and it cannot be a first premise of God's that someone else has authored and imputed to God. It thus necessitates that, if S1 has someone's justifying reason behind it at all, then S1 is not a first premise of God's at all. If it is not a first premise, it can only be a conclusion, derived from other premises, and justified only if its prior premises are justified. It is a discovery.
Imputation passes a justified belief from a creator to its creation. Discovery passes justification from a set of premises to a conclusion. But neither imputation nor discovery actually inaugurates any rational justification -- they merely pass the buck.
Only willful authorship of the fact itself can inaugurate the reason-chain leading to the rational justification of any belief.
So who authored the fact that "Tim McCabe would do X in circumstance Y"? Who authored the truth of S1? If it was not authored, then there can be no rational justification for holding it, as the reason-chain can never begin without an author of the fact itself. And if there is such an author of this fact, yet the author is not God, and if God is not created, then a justified belief in the fact was not imputed to God. Indeed, as long as God is understood to have no creator, no beliefs can be imputed to him. All his beliefs, if rationally justified, are either his direct will (and he is their author), or else they follow from his direct will (and he has discovered them). Any other beliefs that God has, if he has no creator, are necessarily without reason.
So-called Middle Knowledge, of which S1 is an example, is not authored by God, nor could it have been imputed to God by his creator (since he doesn't have one), nor could it merely be discovery -- conclusions drawn from either of the above. Thus God's "Middle Knowledge" does not consist of justified, true beliefs. At best, it would consist of unjustified, true beliefs, which, since unjustified, cannot be called "knowledge."
God cannot have justifying reason for believing that "Tim McCabe would do X in circumstance Y" unless God has a creator who made that fact true, and imputed that knowledge to God; or unless God Himself made that fact true; or unless it can be concluded from either of the above. "Tim McCabe would do X in circumstance Y," for a Molinist God, doesn't fit into any of those categories, thus, it is an unjustified belief. It is irrational. It is unwarranted. God has no reason to think it true.
Therefore, Middle Knowledge simply cannot be "knowledge."
It also follows that all of God's beliefs that depend upon his Middle Knowledge are also irrational. Therefore, Molinist God has no knowledge of the future, insofar as human free will determines it. He may have beliefs, and those beliefs may or may not be true, but they are completely irrational.
In my own view, by contrast, God is the willful author of all.
Which God is Evil?
We've already seen that George Lucas causing Palpatine to do evil does not itself make George Lucas evil. So there is no justifying reason to call the God that I believe in evil. But, believe it or not, a very strong case can be made that the version of God promoted by Dr. Craig can be properly seen as evil.
The Molinist version of God promoted by Dr. Craig takes pre-existing human wills that Molinist God did not make, that are equally ultimate as he is, and that Molinist God has no ontological or natural authority over, and places them into circumstances they do not appreciate. Then, in their inherent (free-will) fight against this bully of a God, Molinist God judges them, condemns them, and throws them into a pit of hellfire for eternity.
This, if Craig's Molinism is correct, is much like George Lucas telling Steven Spielberg that he must behave in some particular way simply because Lucas says so, and then, when Spielberg refuses, Lucas judges and condemns him, and throws him into a pit of fire.
Frankly, I find that behavior despicable and offensive. And that is Molinist God. He has delusions of grandeur. He's a bully. He's an usurper. If it is evil to bully someone you have no authority over, to force them to conform to your own arbitrary set of rules on pain of eternal damnation, then Molinist God is evil.
My God, on the other hand, only condemns us fictional people to hell, not people who are "real" in the same way that God is.
No one is "real" in the same way that God is.
As always, your comments are more than welcome.
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Other Writings
"Are all presuppositions equally valid? If not, how does one determine which are more valid than others?"
Internal consistency is the most common method I know of for determining the truth value of presuppositions. The test of internal consistency is what presuppositional reasoning is all about. If, for example, a view presupposes "A" and "not-A" at the same time and in the same way, then, in that worldview, reasoning, knowledge, learning, meaning, morality, science, mathematics -- everything -- becomes utterly incoherent.
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"If creation happened about 5000 years ago, then how come a supernova was seen in 1987, but it was located 170,000 lightyears away?"
The study of light and its speed is a complex undertaking that physicists have not even nearly completed. Does light travel at different fixed speeds in either direction of a round trip? Has its speed always been what it appears to be today? Can anything material travel faster than it? No physicist alive seems to know the answers to these questions for certain. But God does.
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"When did your religion or worldview first begin?"
This question requires a two-pronged answer. When God created man, at the beginning of creation, man recognized God and worshipped Him in the way God ordained. In this sense, the worship of the Christian God and reliance on His grace (which is the essence of Christianity) has been around since the time of the very first man, Adam.
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"Who killed King Saul, cause Samuel 31:4 and 2 Samuel 1:8-10 contradict each other?"
1 Samuel 31:4-5 Then Saul said to his armor bearer, "Draw your sword and pierce me through with it, otherwise these uncircumcised will come and pierce me through and make sport of me." But his armor bearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. So Saul took his sword and fell on it. When his armor bearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died with him. 2 Samuel 1:8-10 "He said to me, 'Who are you?' And I answered him, 'I am an Amalekite.
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"Does your faith or worldview have a specific stance on abortion? What is it?"
The Bible condemns the killing of human beings (Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17; Matthew 5:21; Mark 10:19, etc) when it is done without the express permission or command of God Himself. For example, governments have God's permission to execute murderers and certain other types of criminals (Genesis 9:6; Numbers 35:17; Leviticus 20:2, 24:14, 24:16; Deuteronomy 13:10; Romans 13:4) and to wage wars against nations under certain circumstances (Numbers 31:7; Joshua 8; 1 Samuel 15:18).
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"Here is another contradiction of the millions in the bible: Hebrews 6:18 vs. Ezekiel 14:9, if you think this isn't a contradiction, please respond with proof from scripture."
Hebrews 6:17-18 (NKJV) Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed it by an oath, that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.
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"Leonard Woolly (etc) found that the flood was local and hit only 4 major cities. This matches the Quran; only the disbelievers of Noah's time were punished. So yet again archeologically the Bible has been proven false. Are you still a Christian?"
If the Biblical flood actually happened the way it is described in scripture, then in the words of Ken Ham, CEO of Answers in Genesis, we would expect to find "billions of dead things buried in rock laid down by water all over the earth". And, this is exactly what we find. Even Mt. Everest, debatably the tallest mountain in the world, has marine fossils at its peak. Is it possible to explain individual fossils apart from the flood of Noah? Certainly it is.
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"It seems when we examine real objects close enough, they become illusory at the quantum level. Also, the self seems to be an illusion in the strictest sense. Yet it is also real since it exists. What is the difference between reality and illusion?"
Both "reality" and "illusion" are simply words. As words, they carry the definitions that their speakers intend for them to have, and that their listeners read into them. What this means is that "reality" and "illusion" both have multiple meanings, and their definitions in a particular circumstance must be determined by context. For example, I could say that my brother is real, a part of reality. I could say that Tom Sawyer is not real.
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"How do you explain your god's genocidal bloodlust in Deut 7 1-2?"
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, and when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them.
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"You say god cannot lie? He said that Adam and Eve would die if they ate from the 'Tree'.. yet they did not die. He said nothing about sin, he said that they would die."
Genesis 2:16-17 (NASB) The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." At first glance, it is difficult to see how this was true, according to the Genesis narrative. After all, the day that Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree, they didn't fall down dead.
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"Apologeticspress.org and CARM.org disagree on whether baptism is needed for salvation. Both are Christian and both quote the Bible in support. Who is right and why?"
Water baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation. The apostle Paul, writing in the Book of Romans, chapter 4, focusing in on verses 9-10, provides an argument that the process of physical circumcision, the cutting off of the male foreskin, a practice commanded under the law of Moses, is not necessary to be made acceptable to God. While circumcision and baptism are not to be equated, the argument Paul makes is applicable to both. His argument can be presented as follows: P1.
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